Old Leadership Bounces Back With A Vengeance Transcript

Welcome to RBC’s Markets in Motion podcast, recorded June 3, 2024. I’m Lori Calvasina, Head of US Equity Strategy at RBC Capital Markets. Please listen to the end of this recording for important disclaimers.

Today in the podcast, two big things you need to know: First, we highlight how and why old leadership in the US equity market has returned with a vengeance and run through our latest thoughts on what might get the rotation trade going again. Second, several of the gauges of investor sentiment and equity market risk that we track are keeping us neutral on stocks through year end for now, and tactically cautious. 

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Now, the details…

Takeaway #1: Old Leadership Has Returned With A Vengeance

Whatever bucket of old, safe, secular leadership one picks, it’s bounced back with a vengeance. Growth has hit new highs relative to Value within the R1000, the top 5 and top 10 names in the S&P 500 have hit new highs relative to the rest of the S&P 500 index in terms of performance and market cap concentration. 

There are a few reasons for this sudden stall in the rotation trade. First, the shift has occurred alongside a move up in 10-year yields and fading optimism around cuts.

Second, earnings dynamics have shifted. After briefly favoring Value and the broader S&P 500 for much of the 1Q24 reporting season, the rate of upward revisions to sell-side EPS estimates shifted back in favor of Growth companies and the top 10 names in the S&P 500 in recent weeks, similar to what we saw throughout most of 2023. 

Looking at earnings dynamics a slightly different way, it’s worth noting that while the EPS growth advantage of the Mag 7 is still expected (by consensus forecasts) to shrink relative to the rest of the S&P 500 in 2024 and 2025, estimates of what that shrinkage will look like in 2024 have shifted a bit in the Mag 7’s favor in recent weeks.

A third reason is that the strong economic tailwinds that breathed life into the rotation trade earlier this year have weakened slightly. Quantitatively, we are no longer seeing big improvements to 2024 US GDP forecasts. Current consensus forecasts for real US GDP in 2024 have stalled around 2.4%, slightly below average. Typically, when GDP growth is running cool or below average, Growth and Large Cap tend to outperform. It’s when GDP makes a move above average that we tend to see relative strength in Value and Small Caps.  Consensus economic forecasts also have real GDP (on a yr/yr pace) slowing from around 3% to low 2%/ sub 2% levels in coming quarters.

Qualitatively, the past few weeks of earnings have dampened economic enthusiasm, with comments from companies suggesting that inflation has started to impact consumer behavior in a more significant way.  While some consumer companies are starting to discuss price cuts (good for the inflation/Fed narrative), we’ve also been struck by indications from some companies (including one that previously seemed somewhat immune for the economic cycle) that corporate customers are delaying decisions and in some cases struggling to even make them. 

What’s needed for the rotation trade to get going again? Valuations are already favorable for the broader market ex the top 10 S&P 500 names, so the driver will need to be something else. Our work suggests that the 10-year yield needs to stop rising, the market needs more clarity and certainty around the path of monetary policy and the timing of cuts, earnings trends need improve for the broader market such that they look better than the biggest growth names, and economic excitement needs to build again.

The trigger for a renewal of the rotation trade may also come from positioning. CFTC data suggests that the large cap growth trade (as expressed through Nasdaq futures positioning) is no longer frothy. But it also doesn’t look washed out suggesting overbought conditions could return rather quickly.  

Hopefully, the transition to new leadership in the II survey this year for portfolio strategy will be a little easier to come by than the transition to new leadership in the stock market.

Moving on to Takeaway #2: Several of the gauges of investor sentiment and equity market risk that we track are keeping us neutral on stocks through year end for now.

  • While our AAII sentiment indicator still hasn’t technically hit overbought levels, CFTC positioning on the buyside in US equity futures moved up last week and is close to all-time highs again. Both keep us in the neutral camp on US equities for now when we think about where the S&P 500 will be at the end of the year. 
  • Separately, equity put/call and TDEX (a gauge of tail risk) moved up last week. The shift off extreme lows adds to our near-term equity market concerns.
  • And one final, quick thought on the election. It remains to be seen how recent political developments will impact the Presidential election. For now, we continue to see the election as contributing to the fog that clouds the US equity market outlook. We’ll be keeping a close eye on the polls in coming weeks. Interestingly, the Trump/Biden spread in betting markets has gotten close to its February 2024 highs, which occurred shortly after a peak in US/Europe equity performance for the year.

That’s all for now. Thanks for listening. And don’t forget to vote – in II that is.